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how can you tax it? >> reporter: that's the huge piece that needs to be worked out by the washington state bureau of liquor that's going to run all of this just like they regulate liquor sales, they're going to regulate marijuana sales. they're going to license and tax the growing, the processing and retail sales for all marijuana all at 25% plus fees for every individual that goes into those various businesses. they project that in the first five years nearly $2 billion from this program alone. >> and then this is not the only state because during this federal election there were two states that ended up on positive end of legalizing recreational marijuana. the other one being colorado. why do we not see a party there today? >> reporter: because they haven't made it legal yet. the governor there has to act before january 5th and then they will make it at some point legal to possess pot there as well. and then they'll have to go through the same process of setting up the rules to figure this out. advocat
how can you tax it? >> reporter: that's the huge piece that needs to be worked out by the washington state bureau of liquor that's going to run all of this just like they regulate liquor sales, they're going to regulate marijuana sales. they're going to license and tax the growing, the processing and retail sales for all marijuana all at 25% plus fees for every individual that goes into those various businesses. they project that in the first five years nearly $2 billion from this program...
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too many tax increases. now the republicans have sent over a deal and still no meeting of the minds. you guessed it, not enough tax increases. here we go again. the deal does offer up $600 billion in save frtion medicare reform and other spending cuts and it also suggests raising $800 billion in revenue through tax reform instead of increases, but it just will not budge on raising those taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. and that is why democrats aren't budging. >> we're glad to finally see republicans joining in the negotiating process instead of watching from the sidelines, but while their proposal may be serious, it's also a nonstarter. they know any agreement that raises taxes on the middle class to protect unnecessary giveaways to the top 2% is doomed from the start. it won't pass. democrats won't agree to it, president obama wouldn't sign such a bill, and the american people won't support it. >> so let's bring in dan lothian because he's at the white house where the president is just about now me
too many tax increases. now the republicans have sent over a deal and still no meeting of the minds. you guessed it, not enough tax increases. here we go again. the deal does offer up $600 billion in save frtion medicare reform and other spending cuts and it also suggests raising $800 billion in revenue through tax reform instead of increases, but it just will not budge on raising those taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. and that is why democrats aren't budging. >> we're glad to...
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i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i can assure you, the president and democrats in congress, have consistently said, we're not going to do this -- there is no my way or the highway. we have concrete proposals and compromise on the table, thus far, though, we have republicans who are dug in inning there's no way they're -- insisting there's no way they're going to support increasing rates on the wealthiest americans. >> let me play for you what the president just said to bloomberg tv. >> entitlement reform, i don't expect republicans to agree to any plan where they're just [ inaudible ] that entitlement reform would happen. we have to have specific down payments now, recognizing we would have to continue to work to come up with better ideas to reduce health care costs over the long term. >> are you willing to work with the president to go up against aarp to b
i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i can assure you, the president and democrats in congress, have consistently said, we're not going to do this -- there is no my way or the highway. we have concrete proposals and compromise on the table, thus far, though, we have...
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just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't really see them doing that. >> thank you very much. mr. president. >> meanwhile as nato prepares to deploy patriot missile defenses to turkey, hillary clinton warns syria against moving its chemical weapons. >> this is a red line for the united states. i'm not going to telegraph in any specifics what we are would do in the event of credible evidence that the assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people, but suffice it to say, we are certainly planning to take action if that eventuality were to occur. >> and while washington buzzes over this video tribute to clinton, some are
just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't...
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the payroll tax cut will expire. if you're a working person, you're losing $40 to $50 a week immediately in your first paycheck. the unemployment benefits will expire. if you're dependent on that, your income will fall off the cliff. if you're someone who listens on dividends and financial gains, the fact that tax on those will rise will not put a crimp in your lifestyle and you may not be taking any capital gains until june, july, august, september. those who are most vulnerable are those on the lower income ladder and who are benefiting from the benefits that will expire, they will feel like they're going over a cliff. >> eliot: brian, let me turn to you, politically am i not correct? the pieces of the tax impact that dan was just talking about that would have the greatest impact are the pieces that are the least likely to be extended under any deal. the payroll tax there seemed to be a consensus that there would not be an extension of the payroll tax cut because that is so necessary to funding social security. tha
the payroll tax cut will expire. if you're a working person, you're losing $40 to $50 a week immediately in your first paycheck. the unemployment benefits will expire. if you're dependent on that, your income will fall off the cliff. if you're someone who listens on dividends and financial gains, the fact that tax on those will rise will not put a crimp in your lifestyle and you may not be taking any capital gains until june, july, august, september. those who are most vulnerable are those on...
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you combine, say, about $250 billion in spending and tax cuts. that will probably cut gdp with the usual multiplier efforts of two percentage points. that's enough to raisen employment by a couple of percentage points. it's serious business. >> ali, what do you think? >> yeah. well, look, i think peter is right. the spending cuts that would be imposed by the fiscal cliff would be devastating. it would send unemployment higher. it would cost jobs. the republicans, as peter says, are going to insist on some cuts anyway, so bottom line is we are going to see a weaker economy into the beginning of next year. probably one way or the other. now, the counter to that, peter, is that there are forces in the economy that are strengthening it. this energy boom that we've got, the natural gas, the amount of fracturing that we're doing, the fact that housing has been doing tremendously well, and interest rates remain very low with prices, so there's some sense that there's a bit of a renaissance on the horizon, and if the government doesn't mess that up too m
you combine, say, about $250 billion in spending and tax cuts. that will probably cut gdp with the usual multiplier efforts of two percentage points. that's enough to raisen employment by a couple of percentage points. it's serious business. >> ali, what do you think? >> yeah. well, look, i think peter is right. the spending cuts that would be imposed by the fiscal cliff would be devastating. it would send unemployment higher. it would cost jobs. the republicans, as peter says, are...
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let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform, we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close, and it's possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that points. >> in the meantime, now the gop is fighting with itself. speaker boehner is facing growing backlash from the more conservative wing of his party. at issue, the $800 billion in new tax revenue he proposed in a fiscal cliff deal which the white house quickly rejected because it does not raise taxes on the wealthy but aims to get the money through cuts in deductions. senator jim demint denounced boehner's plan as a tax hike that will, quote, destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also distanced himself from the boehner plan declining to endorse it yesterday. >> we've wasted enormous amount of time here sparring
let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform, we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close, and it's possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that points. >> in the meantime, now the gop is fighting with itself. speaker boehner is facing growing backlash from the more conservative wing of...
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you said, i'm all for the wealthy paying more taxes. so i'm curious, since you've said that, why the reduck tans to just raise the tax rate on the wealthy? >> it destroys growth of the very people who are going to create additional revenues in the future. >> why say you would be all for it? >> i didn't ever say -- not one timedy say i was for raising tax rates on the wealthy. i said i was for increasing the taxes that the wealthy paid. how you do it will have a major impact on the economic fortunes of this country. and if you take the vast majority of small businessmen who will be hit with an increased tax rate, you're going to markedly decrease the job creation and capital formation in this country. >> let me ask you another question, one of the things we talked about on both sides, i think it's fair to say is the lack of details. and second geithner was out trying to defend some of the details in his plan over the weekend. this letter also has very few details. i'm curious to know exactly what loopholes, what deductions would you kill
you said, i'm all for the wealthy paying more taxes. so i'm curious, since you've said that, why the reduck tans to just raise the tax rate on the wealthy? >> it destroys growth of the very people who are going to create additional revenues in the future. >> why say you would be all for it? >> i didn't ever say -- not one timedy say i was for raising tax rates on the wealthy. i said i was for increasing the taxes that the wealthy paid. how you do it will have a major impact on...
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at today's dividend tax rate of just 15%. that will be a big savings for him if the dividend tax does double as it may do next year. the doom and gloom of the fiscal cliff hides an important point about our economy. we play our cards right, america could be headed for another economic renaissance. short-term indicators are looking good. jobs are being created, consumer debt is shrinking. the housing market is making a comeback. forget silver linings, housing has been the golden lining around the economic cloud hanging over the country. mortgage rates are expected to stay low through 2014. home affordability is as good as it it's been in generations. that's going to attract buyers who spent the last few years waiting for prices to bottom out. that's going to help millions of homeowners who currently owe more on their homes than the home is worth. the home prices rising, confidence will return. and longer term prospects also have some real hope in america. we're in the midst of a domestic energy boom that will fuel growth for y
at today's dividend tax rate of just 15%. that will be a big savings for him if the dividend tax does double as it may do next year. the doom and gloom of the fiscal cliff hides an important point about our economy. we play our cards right, america could be headed for another economic renaissance. short-term indicators are looking good. jobs are being created, consumer debt is shrinking. the housing market is making a comeback. forget silver linings, housing has been the golden lining around...
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we've got four years of regulation taxes. he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party, too, is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >>> another major story from the weekend, it was an emotional weekend in the nfl and in kansas city as the chiefs took the field on sunday just 24 hours after a tragedy involving a key member of their team. police say linebacker jovan belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, the mother of his infant daughter. minutes later he took his own life in the parking lot of arrowhead stadium where the chiefs play right in front of his coaches. nbc's tan trareporter. >> reporter: kansas city head coach romeo crennel wiped away tears on the sideline one day after witnessing linebacker jovan belcher taking his own life. >> i'm choosing not to answer any questions about what i saw yesterday. and i think that you will understand that, and hopefully you will respect my wishes on that because it wasn't a pretty sight. >> reporter: belcher shot himself here at this practice facility at famed arrowhead stadium. crennel tol
we've got four years of regulation taxes. he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party, too, is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >>> another major story from the weekend, it was an emotional weekend in the nfl and in kansas city as the chiefs took the field on sunday just 24 hours after a tragedy involving a key member of their team. police say linebacker jovan belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, the mother of his infant daughter. minutes later he...
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this is raising the tax rate on the wealthy. but eliminating loopholes, are you with the speaker of the house? >> unfortunately, the presidency has already taken us over the cliff. businesses have already paired back their plans and they're hiring for next year anticipating what's going to happen. so we can fix this christmas eve, if we want. but we've already hurt the economy and hurt -- >> are you with boehner? >> i'm not with boehner. this guy doesn't need more money. >> we doubled spending. >> well, we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise, as far as taxes are concerned. >> well, how we go about tax reform, there's a lot of room to work together. >> lower the rats. i'm not sure where the democrats are. th they have not offered the plan. >> they keep the bush tax rates. the top two percent let them go from 35% to 39.6%. >> it's incredible
this is raising the tax rate on the wealthy. but eliminating loopholes, are you with the speaker of the house? >> unfortunately, the presidency has already taken us over the cliff. businesses have already paired back their plans and they're hiring for next year anticipating what's going to happen. so we can fix this christmas eve, if we want. but we've already hurt the economy and hurt -- >> are you with boehner? >> i'm not with boehner. this guy doesn't need more money....
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of tax avoidance. but there's no question in times of austerity -- tomorrow we'll find out what taxes in the uk are going to go up -- that this sort of finagling of the finances is most definitely not on. >> i suppose you could call it creative bean counters behind all of that. you could if you wanted to be silly. britain has a bit of a big tax gap problem overall, right? >> it does. and the chancellor of the -- the finance minister has now warned that he won't meet his deficit targets for austerity will have to continue. we expect higher taxes on the rich tomorrow, cuts in public spending, and in this environment the multinationals like google, amazon, starbucks, are very firmly in the firing line. after all what better than to attack big corporate america. and they're being told, smell the coffee. i can play that game, too, michael. >> wake up and smell the coffee. always good to see you, mr. quest. always making it simple for us. richard quest in london. probably didn't pay for that coffee. >>> over
of tax avoidance. but there's no question in times of austerity -- tomorrow we'll find out what taxes in the uk are going to go up -- that this sort of finagling of the finances is most definitely not on. >> i suppose you could call it creative bean counters behind all of that. you could if you wanted to be silly. britain has a bit of a big tax gap problem overall, right? >> it does. and the chancellor of the -- the finance minister has now warned that he won't meet his deficit...
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>> the tax problem is the biggest problem. president obama has laid out in the past and seen willing to me, at least, to make some cuts to medicare. maybe not ones conservatives like. what we don't know yet, the big question is, president obama is pushing for $1 trillion in tax increases, pushing it for a long time. he feels he has a mandate on that now. we know his idea is about raising revenue. we don't know what the republicans ideas are on the revenue. that's what we need to know. that's the whole question, what are they. go ahead. >> we've heard from lindsey graham yesterday or the day before with regards to revenue. he still contends, ari, that you can raise a significant chunk of revenue, he's thrown out $800 billion at least by closing loopholes and limiting deductions, whether it's $30,000, $40,000, $50,000. >> yeah, but he's just talking, right? just talking. what the president has done is outlined a plan. he outlined it once and the american people voted for it, and he outlined it again, not surprisingly, the same c
>> the tax problem is the biggest problem. president obama has laid out in the past and seen willing to me, at least, to make some cuts to medicare. maybe not ones conservatives like. what we don't know yet, the big question is, president obama is pushing for $1 trillion in tax increases, pushing it for a long time. he feels he has a mandate on that now. we know his idea is about raising revenue. we don't know what the republicans ideas are on the revenue. that's what we need to know....
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it's not the tax cuts going into effect. and -- >> you mean the millions of dollars -- >> the cuts that will be forced through in the next two years. that's a much bigger risk to the economy. >> therefore? >> therefore, if the president lets this thing -- look, the markets have already priced this in. >> i hear the opposite. i hear that they believe that grown-ups will do the job when they have to. they don't believe they're going to let us go over the cliff. >> i don't think the grown-ups believe they have to do the job by january 1st. i believe they believe the grown-ups have to do the job by january 30th or february 15th. >> they're going to believe the politicians can get the job done when they failed to get it done by january 1st. they're then going to believe -- >> i hear what steve is saying there. i'm standing in your camp, which is a rare spot for me to be in, standing in chris's camp here, but i think you're right. i think the markets have not baked this into their equation. >> dysfunction and childishness. >> dysf
it's not the tax cuts going into effect. and -- >> you mean the millions of dollars -- >> the cuts that will be forced through in the next two years. that's a much bigger risk to the economy. >> therefore? >> therefore, if the president lets this thing -- look, the markets have already priced this in. >> i hear the opposite. i hear that they believe that grown-ups will do the job when they have to. they don't believe they're going to let us go over the cliff....
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what's going to be certain is taxes are going up. either we go off the cliff or the curb and then taxes rise for everybody and then maybe they get repealed for the middle class and others or we reach a deal and taxes go up for the wealthiest 2% and everybody else breathes a sigh of relief. there's some $2 trillion in cash sitting on the balance sheets of corporate america waiting to be put to work. the reason it hasn't been put to work is because of uncertainty. taxes are going to go up, the deficit is going to be reduced, some of that money is going to be released. just like ed schultz said, this is all very good news for the american economy. >> so basically the uncertainty is what's providing the certainty moving forward because people across the country will look at this and the hand wringing that's taking place in washington, d.c. back and forth. the framework that could come out of this could mean a much better booming economy? >> i think so. what's been holding back the 2d trillion on the sidelines is corporate ceos didn't kno
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taxes and spending. what is an agreement that both sides can say yes, we each gave a little? >> the republicans must agree to higher tax rates on well off americans. all the way to the 39.6 that the president, they have to. that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use euphemisms, but agree to cutting medicare and medicaid. and by the way, that means cutting for seniors and poor people and special needs kids. that is not an easy thing to ask anybody to do, let alone the democratic party. which really created these programs. this is going to be awful and gruesome, but 70 for 60 in your poll, 60% of americans want to raise taxes on well off americans. 70% don't want to cut or 80, don't want to cut medicare or medicaid, so the hard stuff is coming. this is the easy stuff. we can't even get the republicans to agree to that. >> we're out of time guys, nice to talk to you as always. i appreciate it. >>> next,
taxes and spending. what is an agreement that both sides can say yes, we each gave a little? >> the republicans must agree to higher tax rates on well off americans. all the way to the 39.6 that the president, they have to. that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use euphemisms, but agree to cutting medicare and medicaid. and by the way, that means cutting for seniors and poor people...
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the one issue for them is tax rates. they say, if the republicans break on that, when they break on it, they believe they will, everything else gets done very quickly. of course, the republicans see it differently. just adding quickly on that point david gergen made. the white house explicitly came out today saying, point-blank, they do want a two-step process for tax reform, raise the rates on the top 2% to clinton levels now and let next year be a time for negotiating rates for the future and maybe everybody could lower the rates for everyone during that time. >> dana, how much of this do you think is just public posturing and kind of bloviating on partisan cable channels? it does seem like there's a lot of that going on. >> reporter: so much of that is public posturing and bloviating. but i think the difference between now and what we've seen in past high-stakes negotiations like this, you have the public posturing, the bloviating and the, okay, guys, let's roll up our sleeves and talk about what's really going on. by
the one issue for them is tax rates. they say, if the republicans break on that, when they break on it, they believe they will, everything else gets done very quickly. of course, the republicans see it differently. just adding quickly on that point david gergen made. the white house explicitly came out today saying, point-blank, they do want a two-step process for tax reform, raise the rates on the top 2% to clinton levels now and let next year be a time for negotiating rates for the future and...
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i want to be paying more taxes. i want our taxes to go to serve the policies of the country, education, charity, health care. i think that president obama's right about this. but i think compromise is going to be necessary to achieve some result. >> let me bring in abbe. your father is known as a moderate republican and a good dealmaker, a man who used to negotiate. what do you make of this? and what does he make of this? >> i think morale is so low right now. the country's so divided. especially for my generation. we're the ones that are going to be handed down the $60 trillion deficit. they will come to a deal. but right now, it's political theater. and it's probably going to look like the simpson-bowles. that will come full-circle again. >> here's a problem the republicans have got themselves into. is obama has been very clever here, the president. i think what he's done is skillfully said to the public, if he goes over the fiscal cliff, the republicans are prepared to make the entire middle class to pay more tax
i want to be paying more taxes. i want our taxes to go to serve the policies of the country, education, charity, health care. i think that president obama's right about this. but i think compromise is going to be necessary to achieve some result. >> let me bring in abbe. your father is known as a moderate republican and a good dealmaker, a man who used to negotiate. what do you make of this? and what does he make of this? >> i think morale is so low right now. the country's so...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. pretty sweet, huh? cute. but don't you have any apps on your phone that can make your life easier? who do you think i am, quicken loans? at quicken loans, we'll provide you with myql mobile. this amazingly useful app allows you to take pictures of your mortgage documents using an iphone or android smart phone... so you can easily send them to us. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze. ooh, la-la! there's a health company that can help you stay that way. what's healthier than that? >>> the fiscal cliff looms at the end of the month. president obama standing firm in this interview he did today with bloomberg tv. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. a
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. pretty sweet, huh? cute. but don't you have any apps on your phone that can make your life...
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they're going to raise tax rates. then you say that to boehner's office. no, no. that's not true. >> right. meanwhile the american people are rolling their eyes and not paying attention to any of this. >> look, the stock market has been -- it's been a little troubling for the last three weeks or so. but absolutely. this is like total washington style political posturing. in the end will they get a deal? absolutely. they always get a deal. >> but the question is, is it a small deal or a big deal? >> well sure. >> and that is where i'm a pessimist on i think the smallest possible -- >> yeah. temporary. >> small as possible. >> they'll tackle it next year. >> because there is so much left on the table. we have the debt ceiling, one area where republicans really do have their leverage, you know, that is coming up, too. it's got to be a small deal. >> what is the debt ceiling leverage? i say it this way. okay. you've got leverage but if you use it, the entire -- the popularity rating of the party is going to tank. >> i was
they're going to raise tax rates. then you say that to boehner's office. no, no. that's not true. >> right. meanwhile the american people are rolling their eyes and not paying attention to any of this. >> look, the stock market has been -- it's been a little troubling for the last three weeks or so. but absolutely. this is like total washington style political posturing. in the end will they get a deal? absolutely. they always get a deal. >> but the question is, is it a small...
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that is 98% of the american people, getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. so my suggestion -- it was delivered, by the way, in private and leaked and put in public. but that's fine. i mean, it's certainly what i said. my suggestion was let's take the one area that we agree and take it off the table. >> and -- but just to be clear, though, you actually think -- because this is when i saw your comment what i was so curious about, just from a negotiating standpoint. we had the super committee that failed, now we have the fiscal cliff, right? and if those sorts of deadlines aren't enough to get a deal, if you actually were -- were going to break with your own party or say go ahead, we'll extend them for the middle class, do you actually think that you would be able to negotiate a deal where they didn't go up on the top 2% at the beginning of the year? >> you might be able to negotiate that deal. again, i think a lot of people misunderstand, you know, what's happening with the 98%. number one, i don't think you ever ought to use the american people as, quote, l
that is 98% of the american people, getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. so my suggestion -- it was delivered, by the way, in private and leaked and put in public. but that's fine. i mean, it's certainly what i said. my suggestion was let's take the one area that we agree and take it off the table. >> and -- but just to be clear, though, you actually think -- because this is when i saw your comment what i was so curious about, just from a negotiating...
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nobody even knew what the alternative minimum tax was 8, 9 years ago. now more and more americans, millions are susceptible to it. if you have to patch it for another year, i would hope to get a final solution to that situation very, very shortly because we cannot have that anxiety hanging over folks as they go to pay their taxes in february and march of next year. >> absolutely. another issue, i guess, that is seen as a complication but one that must be addressed the president says, the debt ceiling. i want to play what senator mcconnell has said regarding the president and the portion of his proposal that included the debt ceiling. let's play it. >> the last person who should have limitless borrowing power. look, the only way we cut spending around here is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it. >> i bet you don't agree with that? >> i don't agree with that. we've seen what happens. we've been brought to the brink and don't want to go back to 1995 when the folks walked out and government was shut down. what did we accomplish? i think even mr
nobody even knew what the alternative minimum tax was 8, 9 years ago. now more and more americans, millions are susceptible to it. if you have to patch it for another year, i would hope to get a final solution to that situation very, very shortly because we cannot have that anxiety hanging over folks as they go to pay their taxes in february and march of next year. >> absolutely. another issue, i guess, that is seen as a complication but one that must be addressed the president says, the...
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tax cuts expire, right? >> initially they did and then were going to do tax reform. >> would they increase the taxes on the rich? >> yeah. >> they would? >> yes. >> to the same extent? >> i would have to do the math. >> don't you do any homework? >> numbers cruncher. dad, thank you so much. i wasn't chained in any way. >> no, he didn't call you co comical. >> you were not chained. >> old time memories. >> okay. >> senator claire mccaskill coming up next, joins us in washington. also cokie roberts. first to bill karins in new york. he has a check on the forecast. bill? >>> good morning to you, joe. we can say good-bye to those late summer/early fall like temperatures. the cold front is heading through neng neck and soon areas of the mid-atlantic. temperatures have fallen a little bit. watching chicago, much colder right now this hour than yesterday at this time at 27. so the midwest has returned to normal. the east coast, blustery weather will arrive during the aft afternoon. on that cold front we've had a li
tax cuts expire, right? >> initially they did and then were going to do tax reform. >> would they increase the taxes on the rich? >> yeah. >> they would? >> yes. >> to the same extent? >> i would have to do the math. >> don't you do any homework? >> numbers cruncher. dad, thank you so much. i wasn't chained in any way. >> no, he didn't call you co comical. >> you were not chained. >> old time memories. >> okay....
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loopholes and reform the tax code, on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> the fact is if there's another way to get revenue from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then would wouldn't he consider it? >> reporter: that's are publicly unchanged position was a deadline that's set. whether political theater or political reality, there's more mention going over the fiscal cliff could go beyond hypothetical. >> there's clearly a chance. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they've made a political calculation. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then, you know, that's the choice they're going to have to make. >> emily joins us live from washington. emily, the zinger sound bites, they're all piling up. what is the actual strategy behind all this political theater? what are you hearing from the republicans and from the democrats? >> reporter: you know, less than a month out now from going over the fiscal cliff. even talk about p
loopholes and reform the tax code, on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> the fact is if there's another way to get revenue from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then would wouldn't he consider it? >> reporter: that's are publicly unchanged position was a deadline that's set. whether political theater or political reality, there's more mention going over the fiscal cliff could go beyond hypothetical. >> there's clearly a chance. >>...
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tax cut extension on the 98%. is there enough there that you think, before december 31st we get there? i know with the caveat we're all trying to read the tea leaves, from your experience what does it tell us. >> i think the political will is there. you see somebody like coburn, who has been working for over a year with people like heath shuler, democrat from north carolina and mike simpson, you know, put together a letter -- >> of idaho. >> right. not a moderate. we sat in meetings and there was acknowledgement by both sides and that's why you had a letter of 40 republicans and 16 democrats that had revenue and entitlement reform in the letter six months ago. i think it's there. >> dave, let me ask you, quickly, let's say there's a deal. is it possible for a political win to come out of a deal for republicans? >> listen if we get to the successful conclusion that's moving things forward the country wants this resolved, right? being able to get to that resolution as a reflection then that you successfully governed
tax cut extension on the 98%. is there enough there that you think, before december 31st we get there? i know with the caveat we're all trying to read the tea leaves, from your experience what does it tell us. >> i think the political will is there. you see somebody like coburn, who has been working for over a year with people like heath shuler, democrat from north carolina and mike simpson, you know, put together a letter -- >> of idaho. >> right. not a moderate. we sat in...
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enough public sentiment saying give up on the tax breaks to get a bigger deal. the president could muscle through the tax rates on his own. risks on his side. why not force him into a position where they can get sort of a bigger deal. here's what i thought was important. republicans saying to me that, you know, last july when we had the debt debacle, the feeling was don't give the president a success, don't give him a big victory because we want to have a prospect of our own candidate winning the white house. that's gone. so i think some of that is abated. >> and chris cizilla, john boehner seems to have more running room. you don't see eric cantor looking over his shoulder quite so much. >> i thought that one of the most fascinating things of the week, the "new york times" story that detailed what you're saying, andrea, that john boehner is in a stronger position than he was after the 2010 election. sort of consolidated his republican conference behind him. david is right, is i think what we know is republicans are willing ultimately, they may not say it today,
enough public sentiment saying give up on the tax breaks to get a bigger deal. the president could muscle through the tax rates on his own. risks on his side. why not force him into a position where they can get sort of a bigger deal. here's what i thought was important. republicans saying to me that, you know, last july when we had the debt debacle, the feeling was don't give the president a success, don't give him a big victory because we want to have a prospect of our own candidate winning...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s and dot our "i"s, we still run into problems -- mainly other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with accident forgiveness if you qualify, where your rates won't go up due to your first accident, and new car replacement, where if you total your new car, we give you the money for a new one. call... to talk to an insurance expert about everything else that comes standard with our base auto policy. [ tires squeal ] and if you get into an accident and use one of our certified repair shops, your repairs are guaranteed for life. call... to switch, and you could save hund
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s...
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tax breaks, right? democrats are fighting hard to preserve the tax deduction for state and local taxes, that costs the federal budget more than $80 billion a year. why? because 7 of 8 states where taxpayers use the deductions that much are blue or democratic. new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, all blue with the highest state local -- state and local taxes taken out there and property taxes. the tax deductions on them benefit higher income taxpayers in states that consistently deliver for the democrats. i get the politics of this but democrats need to own up. they can't have their cake and eat it, too. in the end, we are all going to pay more or we are going to get less. if we're serious about the fiscal house in order. if demonstrates are serious about republicans to break with ideology and their party base, to vote for higher tax rates, democrats have to be willing to do the same and break with their base. both sides can go back to the politics after they get in right. quit scrapping. get the work don
tax breaks, right? democrats are fighting hard to preserve the tax deduction for state and local taxes, that costs the federal budget more than $80 billion a year. why? because 7 of 8 states where taxpayers use the deductions that much are blue or democratic. new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, all blue with the highest state local -- state and local taxes taken out there and property taxes. the tax deductions on them benefit higher income taxpayers in states that consistently deliver for the...
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republicans sent the president a counter-offer, calling for big cuts to entitlement spending, and no new taxes on the wealthy. >> tom: i'm tom hudson. auto sales speed up in november, with buyers taking advantage of ultra-cheap financing to ditch
republicans sent the president a counter-offer, calling for big cuts to entitlement spending, and no new taxes on the wealthy. >> tom: i'm tom hudson. auto sales speed up in november, with buyers taking advantage of ultra-cheap financing to ditch
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he wants higher tax rates on wealthy americans. the republicans try to put some pressure on the democrats by laying out $600 billion in health savings, medicare and the like, adjust that cost of living increase for social security and other federal programs. the president's proposal puts pressure on republicans on rates. the republican proposal puts pressure on the president on entitlements and that cost of living adjustment. the question now is, do they negotiate or just posture? >> that's a good question. are you at all surprised that they're both negotiating in public with specific details of their respective plans instead of just doing this quietly behind the scenes, let their representatives go about a serious negotiation? >> there are some staff members on capitol hill who are circulating what they think will be ultimately where they have to -- as we get closer to christmas, sit down and cut out a deal. ip not surprised the republicans came forward with a public counterproposal because they thought the president was winning i
he wants higher tax rates on wealthy americans. the republicans try to put some pressure on the democrats by laying out $600 billion in health savings, medicare and the like, adjust that cost of living increase for social security and other federal programs. the president's proposal puts pressure on republicans on rates. the republican proposal puts pressure on the president on entitlements and that cost of living adjustment. the question now is, do they negotiate or just posture? >>...
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some reduction in tax expenditures. the problem is it's not at all clear to me how the debt limit gets handled. people are forgetting about this other piece. we may have a deal over the fiscal cliff and then run into the debt limit in february. that would be a puriic victory. >> vus not goiit's just not goi happen. tell me, because you know these numbers better than anybody, other than people sitting in the white house that have looked at the very latest, but it seems like 37%. we're starting to hear that more, and both sides may coalesce around that eventually. let's say we change the rates to 35% and 37% and you eliminate deductions, not the home mortgage because we're not going to get that. we're probably not going to get charitable. can you say $1.2 trillion if that's where we compromise and new revenues. >> capital gains, dividends, estate. >> if you're more aggressive. >> about half theway. >> let's say you aggressively go on capital gains, dif evidends >> you start to get close. >> david ig nanatiuignatius, ar to
some reduction in tax expenditures. the problem is it's not at all clear to me how the debt limit gets handled. people are forgetting about this other piece. we may have a deal over the fiscal cliff and then run into the debt limit in february. that would be a puriic victory. >> vus not goiit's just not goi happen. tell me, because you know these numbers better than anybody, other than people sitting in the white house that have looked at the very latest, but it seems like 37%. we're...
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one thing that will happen without an agreement, all the bush tax rates go away, so everyone's taxes are going to go up. you'll see that emphasized over the next couple weeks. you'll hear the white house talk about what a bad situation there will be after january 1 if this deal is not cut. >> david jackson, "usa today," shira toeplitz, "roll call." we appreciate your time so much we'll talk to you later in the hour as well. >> thank you. >>> the last remaining house race of the 2012 election cycle is pabt to come to a close. in louisiana, republican congressman charles boustany jr., jeff landry facing off in a runoff election. they were forced to run in the same district in bayou because of the state's shrinking congressional delegation. both conservative republicans, landry a tea party freshman. we'll keep you abreast of what happens. >>> meanwhile, high drama about to surround the high court as the justices agree to take on the high-stakes issue of same-sex marriage. ♪ >>> the man with that most-watched youtube video of all time due to perform for the president in a few hours. bu
one thing that will happen without an agreement, all the bush tax rates go away, so everyone's taxes are going to go up. you'll see that emphasized over the next couple weeks. you'll hear the white house talk about what a bad situation there will be after january 1 if this deal is not cut. >> david jackson, "usa today," shira toeplitz, "roll call." we appreciate your time so much we'll talk to you later in the hour as well. >> thank you. >>> the last...
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let's get some more taxes. but republicans, they say, let's look a little bit more at everything in this room, even if we're going to increase revenue. because maybe by doing some s t strategic cutting we can make a bigger difference. you can have dramatic cuts in thing like homeland security and the energy department and the interior department. if you cut those programs out entirely, yeah, you'd save $80 billion but that's only a small fraction of the deficit. that's why the talk is largely about this back row. where the big ticket item, reside. such as social security, health and human services, medicare, medicaid and defense. each one of these accounts for more than $700 billion in spending. so yeah, if you could find a way to somehow chop about 25% out of each program here, you'd get real savings. about half a trillion dollars. doing that would be unbelievably tough. the simple truth is some of them are protected from cuts. social security is something that democrats and republicans alike have been very af
let's get some more taxes. but republicans, they say, let's look a little bit more at everything in this room, even if we're going to increase revenue. because maybe by doing some s t strategic cutting we can make a bigger difference. you can have dramatic cuts in thing like homeland security and the energy department and the interior department. if you cut those programs out entirely, yeah, you'd save $80 billion but that's only a small fraction of the deficit. that's why the talk is largely...